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So, while I was posting my skincare

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routines, trying to sort my skin out, it

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like I could have more impact. Today's

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Sunday sessions is with Hannah English.

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She's a pharmaceutical scientist turn

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beauty influence. Heard a lot about

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people saying that they've damaged their

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skin barrier. Keeping it simple helps.

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Wearing sun protection helps with so

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many different skin concerns. Do people

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[music] need sunscreen every single day?

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Don't yell at me for that question, but

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I would love people to understand from

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your point of view. I wear like a UV

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glove. Usually, I keep them in the car.

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>> In this episode, she reveals the

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products she actually uses and the ones

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that you definitely shouldn't. There are

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so many different treatments right now.

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What actually works? That took me a lot

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of learning. Let's get into it. Hannah

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English, welcome to Sunday Sessions. We

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are thrilled to have you because I know

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that so many uh people in our community

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are just confused about skinare want to

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know from you what's happening what they

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should use. So let's get into it. I

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wanted to start by asking you though

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pharmaceutical scientist that's how you

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started and now you're a beauty

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influencer.

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>> How did that happen? Well, while I was

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studying and while I was working in

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industry, I was posting about my skininc

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care and it like pharmaceuticals are not

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so different from

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skincare from cosmetics. I'll try that

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again. Pharmaceuticals are not so

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different from cosmetics. I mean,

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there's a much heavier burden of proof

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on how they work and what they do. Like,

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that's actual medicine, but the way

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things work in your body is the same.

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So, I guess I have a knack for

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explaining them. So, while I was posting

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my skincare routines, trying to sort my

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skin out, it just kind of took off from

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there. And then I felt like I could have

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more impact, especially in the like skin

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cancer prevention, sun safety space,

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doing more social media and reaching

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more people. So, that's why we ended up

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where we are.

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>> Is that where you saw a gap in the

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market where not many people on social

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media at the time that you started were

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speaking about sun safety? I think they

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were obviously Michelle like Lab Muffin,

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doing. So like huge props to her. I

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think sometimes the heavy sciency stuff

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bit casual, a bit fun. Michelle's

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so maybe there was a gap there.

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science and skincare cool and fun. I've

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read that about you and that's and and

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you said. What are you looking at in

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social media now that is absolutely

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angering you?

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what I'll say. It's the sunbaking and

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without context and it's always I guess

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context on social media and that's not

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what gets the views. Scaring people is

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what gets the views. Unfortunately a lot

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of fearongering in skincare. Your skin

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moment, like the hardcore dermatologist

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one. I don't know if I can name it in my

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the other day. It's so cute. Um so, it's

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like taking your retinol really. Um and

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dose that some people are doing. Um, but

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contraception for endometriosis.

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the pain and stuff, but it gave me acne,

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which is not normal, but you win some,

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you lose some. So now I've started on

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the acne medication to counter that.

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pigmentation and previous skin issues.

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What did you find really helped you

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then? Uh, keeping it simple helps.

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many different skin concerns because

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it's so inflammatory, right? It makes

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your skin so angry even if it's not

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burning you. So, just taking that out of

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the equation means that your skin can

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kind of focus its energy on healing and

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glowing. So, you're saying that the sun

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how it all works, like the So, the UV

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cells and put like a kink in it. So once

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the pigment your cells create, they call

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trying to put like a little umbrella of

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pigment to protect the DNA. It's not

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trying cuz it's not really thinking

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mechanism. It's very interesting. Sorry

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just explained it like that. And it

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people need sunscreen every single day?

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your point of view why. Well, I asked a

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science communicator about this as well

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recently because I saw the UV was one

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and the [snorts] cancer council's

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recommendation is to wear sunscreen if

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it's three or more. [snorts] So, I was

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like, "Oh, I can take today off." But I

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here. But so [laughter]

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when you wear an SPF 50 plus, it blocks

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through. So when the UV is 10, then

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sunscreen, then I guess that's five

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times more UV that's coming through. So

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prone to pigment, then maybe you do want

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to eliminate that. Does that make sense?

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very good warning of why people should

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bronzer. That's fine. Um, and I've said

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I'd rather that than like permanent

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blush and bronzer from sun damage. But

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lasered.

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>> Again, people are so confused. There are

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so many different products. what works

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that are really well researched. So, I

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would say that's where to start. Things

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that have been around for a while. I

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the PDRN salmon sperm, the exoome of it

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all, but they're just not as well

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biotech, like high-tech ingredients, but

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the doctor? Yeah,

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good cleanser that doesn't make their

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skin feel tight. Um, a good sunscreen

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that they're happy to wear and reapply,

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moisturizer. Um, and from there,

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your skin isn't tolerating it and it's

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getting angry, then that's that's maybe

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vitamin A sort of speaks to your skin

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it knows to kind of make it better in a

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kind of shedding unevenly and that can

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clog the pore. So the vitamin A's can

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help to make that more regular and that

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way it the dead skin just comes out

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instead of getting stuck in there.

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Skin barrier, it's a big buzz word at

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the moment. What is our skin barrier and

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how do we protect it and not damage it?

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H skin barrier makeup. Okay. I feel like

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every doctor will explain it to you like

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it's a brick and mortar. So um you have

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the dead skin cells are the bricks and

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then the mortar is like um ceramides,

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fatty acids, cholesterol. [snorts] And

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um if that's functioning, it's meant to

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keep everything out because your skin's

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job is to separate you and your body

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from the environment. Um, so if it's

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leaky, if it's not doing well, if you

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exfoliate too much and you're removing

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too many of those dead skin cells, like

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you kind of need a few to do the barrier

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stuff. So um

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yeah,

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>> that is a good explanation. I understood

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it for the first time.

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>> It's Yeah, it's hard because um again,

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it's implicated in everything, sunscreen

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and skin barrier. Um, if your skin is

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angry, if you're prone to pigment, it's

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going to make more as well. Um, if it's

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angry, then your breakout's going to be

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worse and more red and stuff. If you get

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like eczema, then that's [clears throat]

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um, eczema is kind of like a genetic.

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Um, your skin barrier isn't as robust.

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Your skin isn't as good at holding on to

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moisture. So, um, giving it everything

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it needs to hold on to moisture is

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really helpful for that one. and calming

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it down. Um, I've heard a lot about

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people saying that they've damaged their

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skin barrier and now their skin is not

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susceptible to any skin products and

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and is, as you say, getting the acne or

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getting rosacea or uh getting other skin

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conditions. How can we really prevent

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our skin barrier from being damaged?

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>> Um, we want to wear our sunscreen. We

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want to make sure that our cleanser

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doesn't make your skin feel tight

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because cleansing is actually a really

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stressful step for your skin to go

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through. Um the water kind of makes it

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swell and then it loses its own water.

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Um so tight feeling bad. Um that took me

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a lot of learning. I was about to say

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because tight we were always told that

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is good like foamy fresh.

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>> No sad.

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>> Wow. I know. I know.

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>> There you go. And what about double

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cleansing? Well, I'm not double

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cleansing at the moment cuz I'm on

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hectic acne medication. Um,

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I think you know what never made sense

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to me is people would be like, okay, you

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cleanse once to remove your makeup and

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then you cleanse again to clean your

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skin. And I'm like,

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what? Why can't the first cleanser do

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both? I think there's a little bit of

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data that suggests it can help with like

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clogged pores a little bit if they're,

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you know, not too harsh.

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>> Listen, the less is best. No double

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cleansing. There you go.

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[laughter]

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>> Yeah, you really don't.

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>> Excellent. Uh, what else for the skin

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barrier? We hear so much about milky

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toners from you. [laughter]

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>> Um, hydration. I'm just I'm really

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trying to dig in here as to I'm just

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hearing so much about I don't want to

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damage my skin barrier and I just would

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love to be able to say, "Okay, this can

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help you not damage your skin barrier."

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>> Well, when your skin barrier isn't

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working, you probably have some

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inflammation going on. So, I think

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calming ingredients are really good

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calming products, but not five, like one

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or two. and just sort of your basic

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moisturizers really you can help your

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skin barrier with just a moisturizer.

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But um sometimes depending on the

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weather or um humidity and heat and

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stuff, you might find you need more or

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less. So I think that's where we start

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to tweak it with a serum or a milky

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toner as [gasps] well. Um, and

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sometimes, you know, skin doesn't like

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anything too heavy. So, [snorts] I feel

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like in those cases, then like your

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barrier serum, your milky toner, and a

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light moisturizer might be easier than

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something really thick. Um, you can also

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do to contradict or everyone's skin is

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so different that it's like there are

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all these options that is not really

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consolidating it. But what I'm hearing

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from you, and I'm loving this, is less

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is best.

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>> Yeah. You don't have to do too much

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because like every ingredient you're

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adding to your skin is like something

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else it has to deal with. And they could

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all be calming, but it it's just it just

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can get overwhelmed.

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It's not the most scientific

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explanation.

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>> Listen, I'm I'm happy if you say, "Let's

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get rid of the 10step routine. Let's go

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for a three-step routine. a basic

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cleanser, good moisturizer, sunscreen.

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That is music to my ears. Yeah, it's

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hard because there's so many launches

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and so much fun stuff you want to try if

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that's what you're into. But I think

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that's where we actually get ourselves

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in trouble, myself included. Like it's

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one thing to know I'm supposed to do

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this and it's another thing to like be

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rational about your own skin and

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actually do it.

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>> What do you think's next? Uh, everyone's

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talking about obviously skin barrier and

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now glass skin.

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What do you think is next? The big trend

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and does it really work is the most

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important part. Well, we have those um

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yeah, exoomes and the PDRN. A lot of

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talk about peptides as well. It's just

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that, you know, yeah, they're not

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they're not as well proven. So, what I

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would like to see is uh stripping it

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back a little bit and doing less, but I

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don't think that's what's going to

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happen. What is the difference between

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chemical and mineral sunscreen? And just

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for anyone listening, as a sunscreen

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creator, I know the [clears throat]

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answer, but I am terrible at explaining

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it. So, please Hannah English, can you

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explain to us what is the difference

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between chemical and mineral sunscreens?

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>> Challenge accepted. Um, okay. mineral in

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chemistry would we would call it

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inorganic.

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So it's either zinc oxide or titanium

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dioxide they come from minerals. Uh

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chemical is organic in chemistry terms.

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So it just means anything any molecule

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that's made of like carbon and hydrogens

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stuck together. So it's not really that

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scary. Is mineral better for sensitive

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skin?

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I think it varies because it depends on

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the end formula as well. Like I

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personally find minerals often they take

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a bit of rubbing in and my skin don't

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like that. So I have rosacea. I have

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>> you get good at skin care when you're

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like dealing with this that and the

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other all the time.

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>> Um but some people find it much better

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for sensitive skin. So I think it really

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depends on your needs. Um,

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>> I like that. I think that what you're

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saying to us is instead of reading about

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what someone else thinks about what's

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better for your acne or not better, try

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it for yourself. And then if it works

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for you, it works. And if it doesn't,

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then try something else. I love that.

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>> Yeah. Like don't let the internet

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gaslight you into thinking that.

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>> Don't let the internet gaslight you into

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thinking anything. Except if English

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says it, then you can gaslight all you

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want. Well, I would still like people to

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hold me to a standard, you know, like if

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it sounds like I'm speaking out of turn,

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please do ask questions, right? Like we

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love a good question. And um hopefully a

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responsible person would be like, "hm,

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I'm not sure of the answer of that. I

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would ask a relevant expert." Like it's

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okay not to know. Um and that is a big

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problem. Most common skinare purchase

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that people regret.

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Look, a lot of people I mean I may be

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attracting people because that's how

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algorithms work, right? But like vitamin

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C is hard. It is spicy. It's not for

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everyone. I think just the acidity makes

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it a bit difficult for my skin to

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handle.

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>> I regret buying vitamin C, but then I

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found one um that I think combines with

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with an acid and I love it and it it

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seems to be uh better for sensitive

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skin. So, I think even trying different

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types of vitamin C's could could be

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good. Yeah. Like the skin suiticles one

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unfortunately is very nice and doesn't

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make my skin angry and it's like the

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most expensive. I don't know how they've

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done it cuz people will be like, "Oh,

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there's a dup. There's a dup." There

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isn't like it um they've done research

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on that that they've used it like after

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a laser like directly. Yeah.

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>> Which like ouchie but apparently it

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helps with the skin like regenerating

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faster.

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>> Is that pure vitamin C or with the

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feruic acid?

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>> Yeah. C feruic.

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>> Oh that is my favorite product. That's

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what I'm talking about. That's the one

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that I went through all the vitamin C's

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and then I found that one and that's the

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one that I can use and it actually is

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fine for sensitive skin.

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>> For me though, and that's the thing,

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everyone needs to try it for themselves.

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>> Yeah, it just doesn't feel spicy or

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application like the others do. Yeah.

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>> Sorry everyone.

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>> I'm so sorry. I I didn't

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>> Very expensive.

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>> I although they make this one called

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serum 10 which is 10% vitamin C and that

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was their first one before the CE for

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>> and it's like half the price. So, like

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it's not as well researched and it's a

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bit less vitamin C, but you know, if

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you're wanting to cut costs and you do

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love CE for you, you could go that one.

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Um, I really like that one as well. It's

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meant to be like the beginner one for

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sensitive skin.

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>> There you go.

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>> Yeah. Perfect. Okay. I wanted to ask you

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some rapid fire questions and I need you

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to tell me overrated, underrated, or

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worth it.

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>> Okay.

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>> Okay. Sheet masks.

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>> Overrated. I know you tried 30 in one

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day. Oh yes. Years ago I did um one

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every day for a month and um don't do

529
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that cuz you're just throwing different

530
00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,480
stuff at your skin all the time. But you

531
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,480
know I did it for science. So now we

532
00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,320
know the obvious which is don't do it.

533
00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,559
>> Don't do it. No sk no sheet masks.

534
00:20:46,559 --> 00:20:48,640
>> You can do a sheet mask or like there

535
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,159
are some really calming ones that are

536
00:20:50,159 --> 00:20:52,320
meant for postprocedure that I really

537
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,520
like. um Korean ones and there's like

538
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,320
Loros preser plus sheet mask. I mean

539
00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,000
that's so good. It was also on special

540
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,600
the other day and I was like that's a

541
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:06,960
very good price. Um but in general all

542
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:08,400
those collagen ones you're supposed to

543
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:09,600
sleep in.

544
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,600
>> No slimy.

545
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,159
I'll be sleeping with a wet fa Sorry.

546
00:21:14,159 --> 00:21:15,679
You've got this wet thing on your face

547
00:21:15,679 --> 00:21:17,360
and you're trying to sleep but I sleep

548
00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:20,320
with my face smashed into the pillow.

549
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:21,039
>> Sorry.

550
00:21:21,039 --> 00:21:22,960
>> Love it. Everyone's loving it here.

551
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,679
Okay, next. Gasha.

552
00:21:25,679 --> 00:21:27,520
>> Uh, I think it's important to be

553
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,520
respectful of the origins of that

554
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:30,880
practice and know it comes from

555
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,200
traditional Chinese medicine, but people

556
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,360
claim that it does all sorts of crazy

557
00:21:35,360 --> 00:21:40,320
stuff. And um, there's a ladyin that

558
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,280
does TCM and facials and she also sells

559
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,360
gouachas and I really like her tutorials

560
00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:47,760
about it and she's also like realistic

561
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,720
about it. But if you just like a random

562
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,200
person on the Tik Tok saying that it

563
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,159
snatched their jawline. I don't know.

564
00:21:56,159 --> 00:21:59,440
Overrated in that sense. Got it. LED

565
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,640
masks. Oh, I love them. I think they're

566
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,039
worth it. And like I know a lot of

567
00:22:05,039 --> 00:22:06,559
people in social media have been sent

568
00:22:06,559 --> 00:22:08,799
those for free. Um, and I have been sent

569
00:22:08,799 --> 00:22:10,320
them for free, but I also bought my

570
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,799
first one and then I bought a neck one

571
00:22:12,799 --> 00:22:16,720
as well cuz I find it so calming. And if

572
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,640
your skin is prone to being angry, then

573
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,640
that's really helpful in that um it's

574
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,400
not a product you're putting on. It's

575
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,159
just light. Does that make sense?

576
00:22:26,159 --> 00:22:29,360
>> Yes. Different. Um so it's communicating

577
00:22:29,360 --> 00:22:30,720
with yourselves in a different way.

578
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,080
Which one did you buy?

579
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:33,919
>> Uh I bought the current body one like

580
00:22:33,919 --> 00:22:35,679
years ago and I've got a screenshot of

581
00:22:35,679 --> 00:22:38,799
the receipt. Um [laughter]

582
00:22:38,799 --> 00:22:42,000
and then I bought the Omnilux neck one.

583
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,720
>> Yeah. We will link all the products that

584
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,039
you've mentioned in the show notes. I

585
00:22:47,039 --> 00:22:50,159
promise everyone. Milky toners.

586
00:22:50,159 --> 00:22:52,960
I think

587
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,520
it depends on the milky toner, but worth

588
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,240
it. Yeah, just for a bit of extra

589
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,480
moisture that's not too heavy. It can

590
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:01,919
help your skin look really juicy. And

591
00:23:01,919 --> 00:23:03,760
most people have dehydrated skin, so

592
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,200
they can do with a bit of extra

593
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:05,919
moisture.

594
00:23:05,919 --> 00:23:07,679
>> I do find it makes your skin look juicy.

595
00:23:07,679 --> 00:23:09,280
I try put it on now in the mornings and

596
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:10,640
I just love how it looks.

597
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:11,039
>> Yeah.

598
00:23:11,039 --> 00:23:13,520
>> Yeah. it. It's a good one. I was scared

599
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:14,640
that you were going to say, "Well,

600
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,640
obviously you're not because as we all

601
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,159
know, you'll be getting a phone call."

602
00:23:18,159 --> 00:23:20,320
>> Yeah. [laughter] You have a beautiful

603
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,240
milky toner product that is just

604
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:26,000
absolutely amazing. And when I use it, I

605
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,240
do find that my skin looks juicier that

606
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:32,960
day. It just does. Okay. Micro needling.

607
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,960
Uh,

608
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,080
I might be a bit overrated

609
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:44,080
because like we have lasers now, so

610
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,200
those can be a bit more targeted. It's a

611
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,240
really old treatment and it works, but

612
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,320
um, my dermatologist told me not to do

613
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,240
it or it can flare your rosacea if

614
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,400
you're that type of person. So maybe it

615
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:57,600
depends on the person.

616
00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,919
>> Okay. And final one, salmon sperm

617
00:23:59,919 --> 00:24:03,360
facials. Okay. So, if you have done

618
00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:05,679
that, you will know this. It hurts so

619
00:24:05,679 --> 00:24:09,280
much. Like, it hurts so much. I had my

620
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,640
face numbed and I had it once from the

621
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,000
under eye all the way down to the

622
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,799
jawline and like it puts you in fight or

623
00:24:16,799 --> 00:24:18,400
flight. So everything else I had done

624
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,039
that day I bruised because I was just

625
00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:24,159
like um it hurts so much because it

626
00:24:24,159 --> 00:24:26,720
stings going in and like yeah you go a

627
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,400
little bit glowy for the next like month

628
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,919
or so or if you do the them in the right

629
00:24:31,919 --> 00:24:34,480
succession I'm sure that you get great

630
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,919
results but I just feel like

631
00:24:37,919 --> 00:24:39,200
I I don't want to pull myself through

632
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,559
that ever again. There you go. Yeah. I

633
00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:45,440
think I think it's um I think it's a

634
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,840
short-term fix. It's like having a

635
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,919
facial now. I think gone of the days of

636
00:24:49,919 --> 00:24:51,919
the massage and the steam and I think

637
00:24:51,919 --> 00:24:54,559
now probably it's people are going for

638
00:24:54,559 --> 00:24:56,480
the more invasive treatments but they

639
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:57,919
really don't last that long. I don't

640
00:24:57,919 --> 00:24:58,559
find

641
00:24:58,559 --> 00:25:02,720
>> No, it I get the temptation that if

642
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,000
you're paying hundreds of dollars for a

643
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,480
facial that you want to do like results,

644
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,080
but um Laser Genesis it's gentle.

645
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,880
>> I love Laser Gen, too. M. Yes, it's

646
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,799
gentle. And if anyone doesn't know what

647
00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:16,960
it is, I'll get [laughter] Hannah to

648
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,640
explain. I think off top of my head, it

649
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,000
targets like redness.

650
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,120
Um, and it also helps with like texture,

651
00:25:27,120 --> 00:25:30,400
collagen, and things. So, I had five

652
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,080
sessions before my wedding cuz I tend to

653
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:33,840
like flush in the neck and chest, and I

654
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,919
didn't want to, especially if I drink.

655
00:25:35,919 --> 00:25:37,679
So, um, I didn't want to have champagne

656
00:25:37,679 --> 00:25:39,200
at my wedding and then flush all red

657
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,039
through the neck and chest. and I didn't

658
00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:44,640
flush. So, and it came back probably 6

659
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,159
months to a year later. So, like I guess

660
00:25:48,159 --> 00:25:50,480
you have to keep going to maintain the

661
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,000
results cuz your body's always going to

662
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,400
reset to its default state. Rude.

663
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,559
>> Is that everything with skinare? Can we

664
00:25:56,559 --> 00:25:58,400
have It is. So, we can't have permanent

665
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,159
results. We just have to keep on going

666
00:26:00,159 --> 00:26:02,000
and it's all about maintenance and and

667
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,760
doing the things that work for us

668
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,039
constantly.

669
00:26:05,039 --> 00:26:09,360
>> Yeah. To an extent. So like the earlier

670
00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:12,400
you start on your vitamin A, the more

671
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,360
you're sort of preserving that youthful

672
00:26:15,360 --> 00:26:17,120
collagen that you have, that child's

673
00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:18,799
skin.

674
00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:20,320
So you know, people that have been on

675
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,799
these products for years successfully,

676
00:26:22,799 --> 00:26:24,720
you can tell and they have amazing skin

677
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,559
like well into their lives. So it it can

678
00:26:28,559 --> 00:26:30,960
be cumulative but you know if you

679
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,120
stopped it would revert but it would

680
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:35,679
revert to a point that was probably in a

681
00:26:35,679 --> 00:26:37,840
better place than had you never done it.

682
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,400
>> Is vitamin A then you know the one thing

683
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,640
that people can take away from today

684
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:43,919
vitamin A

685
00:26:43,919 --> 00:26:47,760
>> your retinol. Yeah, I mean definitely

686
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,679
worth discussing with the doctor if you

687
00:26:49,679 --> 00:26:51,520
want to go the prescription route, but

688
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:55,279
it is a really well researched. Their

689
00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:57,600
research ethics are a little murky.

690
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,143
That's a fun deep dive. Um,

691
00:27:01,143 --> 00:27:03,039
[snorts] but it's really well researched

692
00:27:03,039 --> 00:27:06,720
and we have the data so we can use it

693
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,600
and it does a lot of great things. I

694
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,880
reckon from like age 25 or if you have

695
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,480
acne

696
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,480
before that.

697
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,200
>> Okay. My final question.

698
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,640
Our skin is everything. We go out into

699
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,080
the world, we showcase our skin and that

700
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:27,919
gives us confidence. And of course, if

701
00:27:27,919 --> 00:27:30,480
we have acne, rosacea, or any other skin

702
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,799
problems, we lose our confidence. What

703
00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:34,000
do you want to say to people that are

704
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,840
listening? Because it is quite expensive

705
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,080
to fix those problems. you're now on

706
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,320
medication. We have to get all sorts of

707
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:41,840
things and lasers and spend a lot of

708
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,039
money on all these products and get

709
00:27:43,039 --> 00:27:44,960
prescri prescriptions. What do you want

710
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,440
to say to people listening about their

711
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,080
skin who are really struggling and may

712
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,559
not have the funds to be able to do all

713
00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:55,200
the things that we've just discussed?

714
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,600
I would say there's been a research

715
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,600
study in Australia that people spend an

716
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,159
average of like $800 before they make it

717
00:28:02,159 --> 00:28:04,960
to a dermatologist for acne. So

718
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,559
sometimes

719
00:28:06,559 --> 00:28:10,640
you're better redirected to a specialist

720
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,880
as soon as possible and especially with

721
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,120
acne there's a risk of scarring. So the

722
00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:16,720
longer you leave it the more scarring

723
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,919
risk you have. So you know when I was a

724
00:28:19,919 --> 00:28:22,159
teenager I had it for a long time and on

725
00:28:22,159 --> 00:28:24,960
the body as well like back, neck, chest,

726
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,919
good times. Um,

727
00:28:27,919 --> 00:28:31,679
so I wish I'd just saved up my part-time

728
00:28:31,679 --> 00:28:34,720
money and gone to a dermatologist. So,

729
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,440
if it's a skin condition, then that is

730
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,760
medical. It's not you being vain. You're

731
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,679
allowed to get medical treatment for a

732
00:28:41,679 --> 00:28:43,840
medical condition. Like, it's it's

733
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,520
serious. So, definitely get yourself to

734
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,080
the doctor. And I try not to waste your

735
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,840
time on like cosmetics because again

736
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,760
like the burden of proof for a medicine

737
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,720
versus a cosmetic, it's so much higher.

738
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,960
So we know that these things work.

739
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,159
That's what I would tell my younger

740
00:29:02,159 --> 00:29:04,159
self. And also that the people that love

741
00:29:04,159 --> 00:29:07,440
you, they don't notice it hopefully. I

742
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,159
mean that is so true. We see every

743
00:29:10,159 --> 00:29:12,399
little spot and every little pimple and

744
00:29:12,399 --> 00:29:16,159
bump. And if you don't touch it and you

745
00:29:16,159 --> 00:29:17,919
ignore it and you go out into the world

746
00:29:17,919 --> 00:29:20,399
and you project confidence, exactly as

747
00:29:20,399 --> 00:29:21,840
you just said, Hannah, people who love

748
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,200
you do not even notice it.

749
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,279
>> No one cares except you.

750
00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:27,360
>> Yeah, but you know, I know relatives

751
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,360
sometimes make out of pocket comments.

752
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:30,960
So, [laughter] sorry about that.

753
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,360
>> Hannah English, thank you so much. This

754
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,520
is going to help so many people. I think

755
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,679
there's so much confusion and rubbish

756
00:29:37,679 --> 00:29:39,520
out there online and just to have

757
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,279
someone like you who is able to debunk

758
00:29:43,279 --> 00:29:44,799
all these myths from a scientific

759
00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:46,159
background, we're so grateful for you

760
00:29:46,159 --> 00:29:48,159
and I know everyone watching here or

761
00:29:48,159 --> 00:29:50,399
listening is so grateful for your

762
00:29:50,399 --> 00:29:52,159
insight. So, thank you so much.

763
00:29:52,159 --> 00:29:56,320
>> Thanks for having me. Pleasure. Yeah.